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Interviewer The person(s) performing the interview Constance Faith Tabora Interviewee The person(s) being interviewed Iman (Pseudonym) Location The location of the interview Gaithersburg, Maryland Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Interview with Iman (Pseudonym) Description An account of the resource Iman was born in Shiraz, Iran in 1969. His early life was riddled with tremendous loss and tragedy going through the Iran revolution and Iran and Iraq war. By the time Iman was 21 he had lost both his parents and served in a brutal war. Iman was set to make most of his life after the war being a big partier in his 20s. Questions about his early life came back once the dust settled later in life. In his 30s he met his wife and immigrated to the United States to find a career as a chef and become a father of two. Iman’s life is an example of the complexity of the human condition from tragedy, restlessness, resilience then to the ambiguity of healing. ***This interview is restricted to the University of Maryland College Park's campus. For more information, contact the Center for Global Migration Studies (globalmigration@umd.edu).*** This interview was conducted as part of an undergraduate final project for the University of Maryland, College Park course HIST 428M (Spring 2023). This course was led by Professor Anne Rush of the Department of History, College of Arts and Humanities, and was sponsored by the Center for Global Migration Studies. 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Date of Interview: March 1, 2021 Place of Interview: Rockville, Maryland, Montgomery County, U.S.A. This interview between Shelly Justement and Margot Naessan explores Margot’s life and her immigration to the United States from Norway in 1992. Margot was born in Telemark, Norway in 1967. In this interview, Margot discusses her family and childhood in Norway, her reason for moving to Maryland, her family and career, and her community of Norwegian friends in the United States. Margot’s interview focuses on cultural comparisons between Norway and the United States, and briefly touches on Vietnamese culture from her ex-husband’s family. Margot also discusses the impact that the COVID pandemic has had on her experience as an immigrant in the United States. Keywords: Norway, culture, COVID, Jante, food, language, national costume Shelly: Okay. So, uh I'm here with Margot Naessan. Um, I'm Shelly Justement. And it is March 1, 2021, and Margo is in Northern Virginia. So, what can you tell me about what your childhood in Norway was like? Margot: What it was like? Shelly: Mm-hm. Margot: Uh it was great. I have four siblings, um and we're a tight-knit family, so we were outside playing a lot, no video games at that time. One channel on TV. Um it was, we were just outside a lot, a lot of uh walks and hikes and skiing and very active. Shelly: Okay. Margot: Yeah. Shelly: Um so, you mentioned your siblings. Do you want to talk a little bit about your family? Margot: Yes. I love my family. [Laughs] Um yes, so I'm the oldest of five siblings. I have two sisters that are one and two years younger than me. And then I have a brother that is five years younger, and then another one that's nine years younger. Um and so, were [sighs] growing up, my brothers were very close, um and they were sort of younger, and uh I don't know. So, the— the sisters were staying together, and the brothers were staying together. Now, we all have, uh we communicate almost well, I'd say daily. My—one of my brothers is in Australia, so I talk to �him every week and the others I chat with uh daily, I would say. And so yeah, we keep in touch. And um uh my, let's see, let’s see what else? Hmm I don't know. We're—we're very close. Shelly: That's good. Um, so since your brother lives in Australia, do the rest of your siblings live in Norway, or in the US? Margot: Uh well, so my, all my siblings live in Norway, except for my one brother, and they're all living fairly close to each other over there, so they—but now thanks to COVID they don't see each other a whole lot. Actually. Not at all. Um but they are within uh 15, 20 minutes of each other, all of them. Yeah. Shelly: Um, so when you were younger and going to school in Norway, um sort of what was— what was school like? And um yeah, what was school like? Margot: Um, well, I—we moved a lot around. Um and so when I was—I started elementary school uh we were in this tiny mountain community uh up in the north, well, not all the way up north, but like, closer to the north than the south, uh of Norway. Um and it was very few students. My dad was the principal of the school. And um yeah, so we were maybe 10, 15 people in the class uh at most. And we had, let's see, 45 minutes of class and then we had like, 10 to 15 minutes outside. Everybody. Uh and that was like six times during the day, we were all outside. And regardless of the weather, we had to just get out there. And in the winter, we were uh skiing or going skating, um because we had one longer break after we ate, so we had half an hour or so. Um and in the summer, we play games with balls, we did like baseball ish, or softball, I guess, ish things and soccer and, yeah, so we had a lot of fun, a lot of outdoor stuff. And um yeah, I mean, and in school in Norway, when you're little, and I think it still is like that today, you don't get grades. Uh you don't get grades before you get to middle school. And I turned out okay, so I guess it's okay [laughs]. But um, so it's a different system over there, but it still, it still works. It's focused on play more than it—here, it's a lot of sports. Um that's very, very important. It's also important over there, but it's more for play than serious as it is here. So yeah. Shelly: Okay. So where was your school near mountains or an area where it was easy to ski during your break? Margot: Yes. Shelly: Okay. Margot: Yes. So yeah, I mean, because it was—we lived between a couple of mountains. So, I mean, we didn't ski—we did the cross-country skiing um when we went to school and I actually went, I used my cross-country skis, walking to school when it was the wintertime, it was the easiest way [laughs]. So yeah. Shelly: Wow. Margot: No bus or anything, just always walking. �Shelly: Um in school did you learn how to speak English? Or was that more in your home? Margot: Uh I, we all had to learn when we were 10 years old, uh which was I guess, fourth grade then. Now they start in first grade. But back then it was fourth grade. And so yeah, it's and, but we mainly read stuff, uh we don't really talk a whole lot. So, when I came here to the US, I, I was quite quiet, because I didn't feel like I could talk yet, so it took me a while. [laughs] Shelly: Mm-hm. Margot: Yeah. Shelly: Um, and so I guess jumping ahead a little bit. [laughs] Margot: Okay. Shelly: Um, when, around what year did you decide to the move to the US? Margot: So, well, my sister was here as an au pair. Uh that was, she came here in ‘90, I guess 1990. Um and then, so I decided to go and visit her uh uh in 1991. So that's when I came the very first time. Shelly: And do you want to speak a little bit about why you decided to stay in the US after you visited your sister? Margot: Yes, sure. Uh yes. So I came here and I, my sister was sick, she had gone through some difficult times. She was here as an au pair. And so I took her to see her doctor. Um and uh [sigh] he um was very charming. [laughs] And uh so he asked, actually asked us out and uh long story short, he ended up uh becoming my [laughs] husband, and the father of my two children. Um but yeah, so I mean, we had only a couple of days left uh here in the US before I actually got to take her home with me. Um but before then, we saw him a couple of times. Um and then I went back to Norway, and I stayed there for a year, came back and forth a couple of times to visit and then um he came over there to visit and then eventually after that one year, so in ‘92 I came here to stay. Shelly: Okay. Um and, so how did your family react to your decision to move and stay in the US? Margot: They thought it was sad, because they sort of lost me. Uh but at the same time, they said, as long as you're happy, that's all we want. So they were happy for me. Um so um yeah, but yeah, it was hard. It was hard, and it was hard for them, and it was hard for me, um because I left everybody, and I was young. And yeah, I was like 21. Um so yeah, that was, that was, it was hard, but they were they were okay with it. They said as long as you're happy, and I was. So yeah. Shelly: Yeah. Um, has anyone else in your family—so, when your sister was an Au Pair, was she planning to just stay in the US temporarily? �Margot: Yes, uh she was gonna stay here for a year. Um but she's, she was five months in Baltimore with a family that was uh uh mistreating her. Um so and then she moved to Bethesda. She was there for three months with a very nice family. Uh but then when I came, uh she had sort of repressed everything that had happened. Um and when I came that was familiar from home, she broke down, um. So, uh she ended her au pair contract early. She was not uh really allowed to or supposed to without losing a whole lot of money. Um but so, we went to her doctor, um and he wrote, which then became my husband after a while. Uh he wrote this note saying that she was ill and that she needed to go home and so that took care of everything. So, I got to take her home with me. Shelly: Okay. Um and have any of your other family members ever expressed a desire to want to live anywhere else besides Norway? Margot: Yeah, so just my brother. My other brother, my youngest brother, nine years younger, he went to Australia also actually for a year. He studied in Melbourne. Um my other brother, he lives in Australia, right in um Adelaide right now. But the others, they, um they all want to stay in Norway, and they all want me to come back to Norway [laughs] and live there. But yeah, no, it's just uh the three of us. But my, my youngest brother that came to Australia, he came here too and stayed with uh uh my ex-husband and myself for mm six months, I think, uh back in ‘96? Yeah. So, but then he had enough of travel, and he wanted to go back. So that's it. It's just two of us that are out. Out and about. Shelly: Mm-hm. Do you ever see yourself going back to Norway? Margot: My daughters would love that. [both laugh] Although, uh yeah, because both of them are there now. I think my youngest will come back uh here. That's her plan. Um but no, because I've actually been here my entire adult life. And I have my friends here that are like my family. It's not the same as family. But still, it's my family here. Um and I have yeah, my work. And I don't think I could start from scratch working in Norway, it's a different work atmosphere. I don't know what I would be doing. Um so it would be hard to move back. And I love actually living here. And I love, I have the best of both worlds because I can live here and I can call Norway home, but at the same time when I'm there I call the US home, so I have two homes. So, I'm very fortunate. Shelly: Mm-hm. Margot: Yeah. Shelly: Yeah. So, you're a dual citizen of both Norway and the US. Um, so do you want to talk a little bit about the actual immigration process and obtaining citizenship in the US? Margot: Right, I can. Uh right now I'm a uh just an immigrant and not a dual citizen. But as of January of 2020, last year, Norway finally allowed um dual citizenship. They hadn't before. I would lose my Norwegian citizenship if I applied to become an American, and I didn't want that because having a European passport is gold. So, I, [laughs] I decided um that I wanted to wait �because I knew it was coming, and then finally January of last year, uh they decided, okay, I can keep my Norwegian citizenship. So now, then I wanted to apply and then COVID happened. And apparently [laughs], the immigration system is now really slow. It was slow already [laughs], but now it's slower. So, but I am going to apply to become an U, a US citizen because I live here. I love this country. And I do feel I belong here. So, and now I can have can have the best of both worlds legally. So that's good. I mean, I'm here legally anyways, [both laugh] but no that didn't sound good [laughs]. But yeah, I'm a resident, I’m a legal resident, so yeah. But yeah, I want to do that little extra step. And the yeah, the immigration process is generally um, for me now after I married, uh it's uh has its I just go and renew my green card every 10 years, and it's just a matter of, you know, paying them some money and fingerprints, a new picture and, and that's it, so it's not a big deal. Yeah. Shelly: Okay. So, um, when you first moved to the US, how long after—or did you marry before? Sort of when was, what time did you marry around? Margot: Yes. Okay. Shelly: After you came. Margot: So, well I came to live here in ‘92. Um and then uh I, I had to either get married or go back to Norway, because I'm not allowed to stay here, uh you know, after a certain time. So, I was going back and forth a little, but in ‘93, which actually, my family doesn't know. I did get married at the [laughs] at the courthouse. Oh, it's okay. Uh that it's not, it's not a secret. But I got married at the courthouse and we were actually going to have a wedding ceremony that year, but my father became ill. So, we decided to have it in ‘94 instead, so that's our official like wedding date is in ‘94. But in ‘93, we actually got married. I think it was in January of ‘93. And that's I think the date that says also on my green card, that I was like legal to stay here. So before then I was just a visitor. Shelly: Okay. Margot: Yeah. Shelly: Were you, did you ever see yourself living in the US prior to meeting your husband? Margot: Um, not really. I mean, I was always curious about the US because I mean, you see, uh see movies, and it looked very cool. So, I wanted to visit. And so, I was super excited to go and visit my sister. But I did not at all plan on or think that I would stay here. That was not in my plan. But yeah, it happened. Shelly: Mm-hm. Margot: Yeah. [laughs] Shelly: Um do you wanna speak a little bit more about what you thought of the US before you came? �Margot: Yes. So um, my impression of the United States w—was basically through movies. Um. I loved going to the movies, and I [laughs] really liked commercials like bubblegum commercials. And I was like, oh my gosh, it looks so cool in the US, and it's always, the sun is always shining, and it looks so nice. [laughs] Um but yeah, and I, I don't, I mean, I read some books and but I’m not like a history buff, so I was not into history as much. But I was uh interested, I'm very interested in culture, very interested in languages. Um and even though I didn't think my English was good, I think it was better than most people in my class, because I always liked languages, so I was always intrigued by the English language and the culture and, and I, I liked the pop culture, I like the um uh I thought, you know, I saw um, what do you call it? Um. Now I have it all in Norwegian in my head, because I'm like, regressing here. But I saw, you know, pictures or, or like, oh, foods, and I was like, oh, wow, they have burgers, they have like several layers of like, stuff that looks so [laughs] interesting and great. And everything is bigger over there, and, like here. And I just thought it looked really cool, and uh different from Norway. Everything is so small um compared to here. Uh food. Um. Well, yeah, I get back to food, I enjoy food [laughs]. But yeah, food, culture, language. I'm all, I'm interested in all of that. Shelly: Um, so how did language play a part in your immigration experience, besides the fact that at first you were a little shy to speak English? Margot: Um, well, I was really worried uh when, when uh Robert and I, my ex-husband, decided to get married. Um and he proposed and all of that. Um I heard, you know, that we had to go to the immigration. And I was so scared of talking and opening my mouth because I didn't know what to say. And then Robert was like, don't worry, I'll take care of it. And I'm like, I have to say something too you know. Um but I got there, and you know, people were friendly, they were nice and asked me questions, and I managed to I mean, it was, I mean I was sweating, I think and I was nervous for days before. [both laugh] But, but it was okay. I mean, people were generally nice. And that's what I see, that's since day one, since I've come to this country, people are always like, hi, how are you? So friendly. People are not like that in Norway, even people are nice, but they're very much more reserved than here. So, I really like that aspect of the US that people are welcoming, I feel. Shelly: Very nice. Um, earlier, you had talked about the community you've created with your friends? Margot: Mm-hm. Shelly: Um, are any of those friends from Norway also? Margot: I would say that 99% of them [laughs] are. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I came here, I felt alone. Not necessarily lonely, um there's a difference, I guess. But I felt alone for a long time um because I left my family. I didn't have any friends. Um I couldn't work in the beginning. Um I started working after I got married. Um. But in the beginning, I didn't really have any friends for a long time. So, I went into work where my husband was working at his medical clinic. Um and I sort of became friends with the nurse, and the receptionist, but that wasn't uh. Yeah, it wasn't like friends friends. So, I don't know. Um. Yeah, it took me a while to really get to know �anybody, so. Uh but when I then heard about this Norwegian group of women, um I was intrigued, and I got in touch with them. And I haven't looked back. I mean, it's, it's because we have so much in common, we have, we identify with, with each other, we all have a story, we all um you know, we have our language, our culture, we have so many similarities. So instantly, I felt at home here, even though I hadn't really felt at home for a good while. And then finally, things fit into place. And I, I felt like, okay, I'm good here now. Shelly: Okay. So does this Norwegian women's group, do you all do things that celebrate Norwegian culture and heritage? Margot: Absolutely. So yes, um I've been part of this group, since Isabella [her daughter] was born, uh that's when I heard about it. And so, every year, um I've been on the board three times uh as a secretary, because I like to write. Um and we plan two major events every year. One is our 17th of May uh celebration, which is our Constitution Day, uh where we can actually uh invite men. Um otherwise, forget men, it's all women [laughs]. So, we do that 17th, around the 17th of May, and it's a big celebration with uh we have speeches, we have songs, we like to sing a lot. And then we eat, and everybody brings traditional dishes. So, it's huge. Uh and we all look forward to it, we wear our, I have a national costume that I that I wear. Um and so that's quite special. Um it's actually, national costumes in Norway are really expensive, uh mine is like $4,000. So, I don't wear it a whole lot. But I wear it then. The other occasion that we have is Christmas, um which is also huge in Norway. And we have uh special dishes that we only eat for Christmas. And we all bring that, no men allowed this time. And uh we yeah, we have our traditional clothing, traditional food. Um otherwise, other than that we just get together once a month. Uh well, not now, um these days, but generally otherwise, when it's not COVID we get together. Um and we um we exchange recipes, we exchange, you know, Norwegian stories and just we just keeping our culture alive, I guess. Shelly: Very nice. So, um can you describe what the national costume is like? Margot: Yes, uh my national costume is uh a huge wool uh has like a big uh skirt. Um black with some embroideries in all over the place, uh. It's very, very warm. Um it has a vest that is also embroidered and then it has like jewelry uh in the front that's, that's the most expensive part. Um it's very um traditional, um I don't know how to describe it. But it's, and I have a white shirt inside the vest. Um and each region in Norway has a different national costume as they call it. And so mine is from Telemark because I was born in Telemark. Um. And so yeah, mine is from there. Yeah. Shelly: Do the costumes symbolize anything? Margot: That's a very good question. And they might. Um actually, I don't know, but they might. That's a good question. I will have to find that out. Yeah. Shelly: Okay. Margot: Yeah. [both laugh] �Shelly: Um, so when you first came to the United States, where did you live? What area? Margot: So, when I first came, uh I moved to this house, it was a farm out on River Road in Potomac [Maryland] because um Robert, at that time had horses, actually he still does. Um and so we had horses there. Um so it was like, sort of into the, far into the country, like way out River Road. Um and yeah, so it, but it was a beautiful area. Shelly: Um what kind of jobs have you had while living in the United States? Margot: I've had two jobs, um and one was uh, I became the office manager for Robert’s uh medical clinic. Um so I did all the invoicing, I did all the payrolls, um invoicing, ordered supplies, uh you know, whatever an office manager does. So that was my first job. And then I had two little babies, uh and I took a break. Um but so when they were little and started school, I went to school a lot and I volunteered there. Um I went there every week to help out. But then I got the job that I have now, uh which is working for an architect um out here in Virginia, which I love. So, I'm happy about my job, I just do some design work for him. It's a small firm, so it's mainly the architect, his wife, she's the office manager, and then it's me, who does all the design and all of uh you know, the interior design, and plus I do, I also do some invoicing and little office stuff, too. So yeah, it's fun. Shelly: Mm-hm. Um, would you like to talk about your daughters, Isabella and Alexandra, and how you maybe passed on some Norwegian heritage to them? Margot: Absolutely. My two daughters, they're now, Isabella is uh 23 and Alexandra's 21. Um and from day one, I decided I wanted to learn and teach them Norwegian, uh because it's such a strong culture in me, and I wanted them to have the opportunity to speak with their grandparents. Because not everybody in Norway, now the younger generation, yes, everybody speaks Norwegian [English]. But the older generation, not necessarily. [clears throat] So my father, for instance, didn't speak much uh Norwegian [she means English], so I wanted them to speak to him. Um. So, but it's very natural for little kids to not want to speak the language that nobody else speaks. So, I had to be very strict with them. I'm not a super strict person, but with my girls, I was strict in the language sense, and I told them that if, because they started uh answering me in English, when I uh spoke to them in Norwegian. And then I said, girls, if you speak to me in English, I'm not going to talk to you. You need to speak to me in Norwegian. And they're like, oh, okay, and so they did! And but I had to remind them again and again. But as they um got a little bigger, it was easier because they talk to each other in Norwegian whenever I was around, and I was always around. So, it became easier and easier. It was hard in the beginning, but then it was easier and easier. And so yeah, I and I fed them Norwegian food, and I took them to Norway every single year since they were born. And so they're very much immersed in the Norwegian culture. Shelly: Right, yeah, both of them are now living in Norway. Margot: Both of— Shelly: Um. Yeah. So how do you feel about that? �Margot: Oh, my gosh. Well, you know, [sigh] it's it um, first of all, I'm super happy that they are together, because I know that they've missed each other so much. Um they were apart for quite a while um much thanks to COVID. Um. Um for me, I know I don't own my children, so whatever they want to do in this world, they need to do it. They need to go out and live their lives. I would love to have them closer. Um I don't know if that's going to happen with Isabella um because I mean, she's engaged to a Norwegian. And she has a dog. [laughs] Um Alexandra, I know she's planning on coming back. Um I don't know what happens if she meets a Norwegian guy, for instance, uh if she I mean, it's a possibility that she would stay. It would be—I mean, I miss them terribly. Um because I mean, we're very, very close. So, it would be hard in a way but at the same time, if they are happy that’s all that matters. It's pretty, I'm pretty much like my parents, if my girls are happy, uh just like my parents said to me, if I'm happy, that's all that matters. Shelly: Okay. Um and so how do you think you have combined some US culture and some Norwegian culture amongst the three of you? Is there a way that you've done that? Margot: Um, huh, good question. I mean, we, we lived here, have lived here in the US um. And so, it's been important not just to show them, of course, the Norwegian culture, because I'm Norwegian. Uh, I've taken them around uh with their dad a lot to like Disney World, and, you know, all American traditional things that you do. Um or not everybody does not, not everybody can, of course, but we've been fortunate to be able to travel several places, um here in USA, US and that's a very good way to, to um get to know a country and, um but I was, I never really talked much English to my girls, it’s always been Norwegian. Now. And also, that was also when uh they had friends over when they were younger, I always spoke because I wanted to maintain that Norwegian. Now that they've gotten this big, I finally feel I could speak English to them, and they won't lose their Norwegian so it's okay. But to combine the two for a while it was strictly Norwegian, and the American part was just, you know, showing them America, and foods, we're very much into foods and trying new things and I’ve gone to Florida quite a while, quite a lot with the girls, and we just, yeah, love to be together and explore different areas of the country. Shelly: Yeah. Um this may be sort of difficult, but it's, do you think there's a way to maybe compare and contrast Norwegian foods and American foods? Margot: Yes. Let's see. Um Norwegian food, as I as I mentioned a little bit earlier, is uh everything is in a much [laughs] smaller scale. Um you come to a restaurant and, well, not necessarily a restaurant either. But yeah, everything is in a smaller on a smaller scale. Here, everything is so huge. Um and I, well, when I first came here, I was a little disappointed because my sister said, let's go and have a burger. Um and we went, and I, I didn't, I didn't find it that it tasted much. Um it was sort of tasteless, maybe we went to the wrong place. But in Norway, it's, it's even though salt and pepper were like the main spices for a long time, now we have Indian, we have Thai, we have Vietnamese food, we have like all kinds of fusion stuff going on. But for a while, salt and pepper was it, but and it was pretty much up until I came here. But I came here, and I was like, I was not too impressed about American foods. Um but now, of course, I've been around, uh, I've been to so many places, and I um yeah, I think Norwegian food is pretty amazing. Um and I love, for me being sort of more multicultural, I love the fusion ex—aspects of �what you can get here with the different mixes into the American cuisine so that it's more of a mix than just plain this or plain that, I like yeah, the fusion part. But um, and but you also do have that more in Norway now. It's becoming more assimilated, it's more similar. Norway and the US, it's more similar in food wise than it was like when I first came here, for sure. Shelly: Okay. So, another sort of compare and contrast um that I'm interested in asking you about is what you think of politics in Norway versus politics in the United States. Margot: Yes. Charged subject. [both laugh] Uh now, uh in Norway, we have a different political system. We have several parties. Um we have the Green Party, we have the Worker Party, we have the uh the right but the right-wing party is sort of more like the Democrats here so it's not like super right. Uh and then we have another one right. And so, I never got into I mean, it's complicated over in Norway, it's more simple here with like two parties, or an independent, so maybe three. Um but in what I, what I see here is that um, they throw dirt on each other here in the election process a lot. They don't do that to the same extent over Norway. Uh that's not what's important, they actually focus on the, you know, what's important, what they're trying to say, as opposed to here, they're attacking each other more, um and trying to find dirt, and this person did that and yeah, all of that. But, um, yeah. So. [sigh] But I've actually never voted here in the US, um I would have if I could, but so that's another reason why now I'm sort of, sorry. Getting off topic. But yeah, it's [laughs] it's, it's different. Yeah, several parties in Norway and just a couple here, and I think they're a little bit more clean over in Norway, you know, in the process of voting, but their getting to be a little influenced over there uh of things that are happening here as well, um so it's interesting to see. Shelly: All right. Uh, I guess, maybe a little bit of a less charged subject, [both laugh] so your exhusband was, he is an immigrant as well. Margot: Yes. Shelly: Um and can you tell me a little bit about what it was like raising children in the US when both of you were not originally from the US? Margot: Mm-hm. Yes. So, because he was originally born in Vietnam, uh he came here when he was 15, so I mean, and he was naturalized so he became an American citizen. But he had, he comes from a large family, he has very strong ties to his Vietnamese culture. So, we um, we had a household that was split. Not split, that doesn't sound good. That was a mix of Vietnamese and Norwegian culture. Um and his mom lived with us for 10 years. Um and so, we got uh some amazing food that we cooked uh together. And, yeah, so food is very important in the [both laugh] Vietnamese culture, and also in the Norwegian, I guess, also American culture. Um but so yeah, we had a mix of the two. So, whatever, whenever there was a Norwegian uh cause for celebration, uh one of our big days, we celebrated that. Whenever there was um Vietnamese tradition, uh which is uh, in his family rooted a lot in Buddhism, um, then we celebrated that and we all have Vietnamese outfits, um and we all dress up, and we all eat special food. And so, it's, it's great to have been able to [clears throat] to have both the Vietnamese, the Norwegian, and the American culture. �Shelly: Mm-hm. Margot: Mm-hm. Shelly: [laughs] Um have you noticed any very stark differences in culture between Vietnamese culture and Norwegian culture? Margot: Vietnamese and Norwegian? Shelly: Mm-hm. Margot: Yes. Uh and one thing, um, [pause] let's see, if uh I'm like trailing here now. But um in uh my, as they, they had—now I’m starting to speak Norwegian in my head here. [Shelly laughs] They have this matriarch system, uh where uh Robert’s mom, she was the boss of the family. And the el— you, the el—older you are, the more um you have uh a say in things. So, when I came here, uh when I was 21, I was pretty much the youngest within Robert’s family because he's one of the youngest siblings, so everybody were older than me, so I was at the bottom of the totem pole. So I, so it was hard in the beginning because um, I, you know, I was like, thrown into the kitchen. I had to do the dishes, whereas the others they could relax and just wait for me to finish or wait for me to finish cooking and with them my mother-in-law, um because it's, that's just part of the culture. I come from a culture where everybody's the same, you are equal to everybody. Um so uh that was new to me and uh not cool, I thought. [both laugh] Uh it was hard. But at the same time, I do really admire how they take care of their elders and how they value the elders. It's not the same here in the US, or in Norway. People are put in homes. People are, oh, no, they're too old to, to, I mean, here, uh in the Vietnamese countr—culture, they take the elders in, and they take care of them until they can, they're no longer walking on this earth. So, I, in that sense, I think it's pretty amazing. Shelly: Mm-hm. Um, and do you think that your daughters ended up inheriting more of, more of one culture than the other, or do you think it was more balanced? Margot: Um I definitely think the Vietnamese culture was more uh, it was fun, and it was the um little parties that we had, but that’s more in the background. It’s a split between the American and the Norwegian culture, for sure. Because they lived here. Um and all their friends were uh were American. And I had a very strong Norwegian influence on them. Mainly I think, but it’s interesting because I have, Isabella since she was very little, she said, mama, I want to go to Norway. I want to live in Norway. I said, because she said, it’s always dessert there. [both laugh] But I said, that’s because we’re on vacation. And she’s like, no, but it’s so great I love Norway. And then she ended up going there and living there, whereas Alexandra, she never said that, she said, no I love the US. I want to stay here. I want to visit, but then I want to come back. And that’s, that might be what happens, you know, eventually that Alexandra might come back here because she’s more drawn to the US than Isabella is, she’s more drawn to Norway. Yeah and they had the same upbringing, so I don’t know why that happened. [both laugh] Yeah. Shelly: Um do your daughters and your family in Norway have a very close relationship? Since you visited every summer? �Margot: Yes. Yes. They have cousins over there. Uh, they’re, um they have two girl cousins that are 1 and 2 years older. Um and then they have younger uh boys, boy cousins and one girl, but they’re sort of younger younger again, so. But yeah, they’re all close and they’ve all spent every summer together and every other Christmas for a long time, so yeah. They’re close. Yeah. Shelly: That’s good. Um so and do your daughters have, your daughters are US citizens, but are they also Norwegian citizens? Margot: Yes. Because uh it’s different rules for kids. So, because they were born here, they’re naturally American citizens, but because I’m uh as a mom Norwegian citizen, they automatically became Norwegian citizens. Whereas, but they lose the citizenship uh if they don’t spend some time in Norway for a while. Like Isabella, she’s now naturalized, she’s now dual. Um but Alexandra, she will lose her citizenship uh by the age of 21 uh in the summer when her birthday is unless they say that, no, okay you’re living here now, we’re gonna let you keep it. So, it’s a gamble for her, we’ll see how that goes. Um but they have requirements of you have to live there for at least a year, but I think she’s planning on probably staying there for about a year um. Unless something happens, I don’t know when she’ll come back. But, um yeah, so, we’ll see. Shelly: How long has um Isabella been in Norway? Living in Norway. Margot: She’s been there since, I think she moved there like right after high school, so she was what, 19? Is that right? Like so 4 years maybe. 4 or 5? 4 ish. 4 and a half how about that? Shelly: Okay. [both laugh] Margot: Yeah. Shelly: Has it been an interesting dynamic um going to Norway to visit her? Margot: Yes. Shelly: While she’s been living there? Margot: Yes, it is interesting because when I go now, she’s my guide. We go to Oslo and she’s been taking Alexandra and me around. I guess Alexandra will do the same thing now. Because I feel, I’m not connected to Norway the same way anymore as I used to be since I live here. I feel she is the local now, she is the Norwegian now, she’s taking me around and showing me everything because, yeah, so, the dynamic has changed. She’s the Norwegian one, I’m just visiting. [both laugh] Shelly: Um and so we talked earlier a little bit about what you thought of the US before you came. Um there’s this very sort of big idea of the American Dream. Um. Have you felt that in your life while you’ve been living in the US or prior to? �Margot: Absolutely. Because here I feel it’s the land of opportunities. In Norway we have an unwritten law that is uh it’s called the Jante Law, J-A-N-T-E. Um and it has several unwritten rules uh one of them is, don’t think that you’re better than anybody else. Don’t think that you uh should try to do some—uh you’re basically you’re not encouraged to be different. You’re not encouraged to try to achieve something great because people look down on you. Everybody’s supposed to be the same. Whereas here, you come here, and you do something you actually get rewarded for it. It’s like, oh good for you, you did, you did that? That’s great. You don’t get that in Norway. People are better about it now, but they still have that ingrained in them, that don’t even think, don’t try to like step uh up and become something because nu-uh it’s frowned upon. So, it’s yeah, it’s definitely, I feel, in that sense, I love living here because I feel like I can, I’m rewarded, if I do something great, then it should be rewarded. I mean you should be um not like rewarded, but it, it, it should be a good thing. So, and I do love that. Yeah. Shelly: Does your family that lives in Norway feel the same way that you do about that? Margot: Yes. They do because [laughs] I’ve come home so many times and I’ve told them, you know, this is how it is here, and you know you should be a little bit more like what it is in the US and they’re like, yeah we agree. I mean they see it. But you know they live there, and they’re so used to it and so their mindset is a little different. It’s just they, they adapt, I guess. But yeah, they see it. Shelly: Mm-hm. Margot: Mm-hm. Shelly: Um do you have any, sort of crowing achievements that you can think of that in the US you’ve gotten to celebrate in that way? Margot: Um well I’ve, yeah, I think yeah, my job for instance, um which is um. When I started my job where I am now, I started doing filing. I started at the bottom level. I, you know I had, you know I worked as an office manager at my previous job, but I came in and they basically just needed someone to organize their office. It was a huge mess. It was drawings, architectural drawings everywhere. My boss couldn’t find anything, he was like, oh, you need to help me. I’m like, yes, I’m super organized. Let me do it. And I organized everything. And I had no idea how to use Excel, so I taught my—I went through tutorials and I’m now very sufficient in using [both laughing] Excel. I put everything on Excel on where everything was in the office. Every single drawing that we had in the office. I organized everything and then my boss said, hmm looks like uh maybe you could uh do something else for us, because then you know, no more filing right? I did all of it. So, I was like, yeah, yeah I’m ready to do whatever, and he’s like, hmm can you do our permit process, can you get all our permits? Because they were using a permit agency to get all the building permits. For every project that we have, we have to have a building permit. And he was not happy with the service that he was using and I’m like, yeah, yeah sure. And, I gotta say, I love that part of the job because I, well now it’s all online, but back then, before COVID, before COVID, um I got to go to different jurisdictions, talk to different people, and show them architectural drawings, saying, this is what we’re doing. You need to approve this �for us. And I started to learn what the different jurisdictions required. And, and then I got positive feedback from them saying, oh it’s you, it’s so great because you’re always prepared, and I’m like, yeah! [both laugh] So, uh so I got really good at that. Um and then, we had uh um an interior designer um that worked for us and one day she’s like, I think I need to go and do something else, and she just left. And then my boss was again like, oh no! What are we gonna—Margot? [both laugh] he turned around and looked at me, do you think that you could,” you know and I’m like, “sure boss. Yes, I can do it.” And I had actually, you know, I was working with our designer when she was there, and I was observing what she was doing. I did not um, oh what do you say? Well, yeah, I did not do her job then, but I was helping her. She was always asking me, “what do you think about this color? What do you think about this scheme?” And I always had an opinion because I always, I have an instinct for what looks good and what doesn’t, and she’s like “oh, that’s what I first thought!” And I said, “always go with your instinct.” So, okay, anyways. Um so, I started doing design work uh and meeting with our clients, and showing them carpet books, and uh paint samples, and surface for their kitchen, backsplash, and I love it! It’s so much fun. And I get all these positive feedback from everybody saying, “oh, we love our new office, we’re so happy, thank you so much,” you know? So, yes, when I come, both from my boss and from th- our clients, I get a lot of positive feedback and that makes me really, really happy, so, so yeah. So, and I- it would not be exactly the same in Norway. It would be much more subdued, and people would be grateful, but it’s just different over here. So, here, yes, I love all the positive feedback. Shelly: Mhm. Margot: Yeah. [laughs] Shelly: Uh, and, so switching gears a little bit, how do you think COVID has impacted, maybe not even necessarily your experience as an immigrant, but just your experience living in the US period? Margot: Um, I- I mean, I see how my, how my native country is handling the crisis compared to here. Um, and, [sighs] so, so it’s hard because they’re much better at handling it over there. They’re actually shutting down when they need to shut down. And they’re getting it under control, their cases are so much lower. Um but at the same time I feel we’re all responsible for ourselves. Obviously, we’re responsible for you know people around us, but we can only do so much. So, I’m thinking if I do my share, that’s all I can do. I can’t tell anybody else to say- you know, what they need to do. If I’m careful, then I’m careful for myself and for everybody around and, and that’s all I can do really. But yeah, no I mean it’s hard because it’s a big country, and it’s a lot of people, and it’s a lot of different opinions. And here, you see a lot of conspiracy theories also, which doesn’t make it easier. And people are scared of vaccines, they’re scared of this, they don’t want to do that, and they don’t wanna wear a mask, they can’t breathe, um they have all kinds of opinions, and but I see that I, you know, I just have to do my share and that’s, that’s all I can do, so yeah. And so, I’m not feeling like oh, I should run to Norway [Shelly chuckles] because it’s better over there. I’m happy here and I’m doing my share here, and that’s all I can do. �Shelly: Mhm. Margot: Yeah. Shelly: Is there um anything else at all that you would like to talk about, about any point in your life? Margot: [both laugh] Oh yeah, do you have an hour? No, just kidding. Shelly: [laughs] Margot: [both laughing] Um. Hmm. I don’t know, uh, are you, you, you have no more questions for me? Shelly: No, I’m, [laughs] I’m done. Margot: Okay, well I’m very impressed uh at your questioning skills and uh your flow. I’m very impressed, I have to say. Shelly: [laughs] Okay. Thank you. Yeah, I learned a lot, this was a very nice interview. Thank you for agreeing to do it. Margot: Absolutely! Thank you, Shelly, it was good to see you. � Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Spring 2021 Interviews Oral History A resource containing historical information obtained in interviews with persons having firsthand knowledge. Interviewer The person(s) performing the interview Shelly Justement Interviewee The person(s) being interviewed Margot Naessan Location The location of the interview Rockville, MD Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Interview of Margot Naessan Description An account of the resource The video of this interview can be found <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vE49GqssXU">here</a>. <br /><br />This interview between Shelly Justement and Margot Naessan explores Margot’s life and her immigration to the United States from Norway in 1992. Margot was born in Telemark, Norway in 1967. In this interview, Margot discusses her family and childhood in Norway, her reason for moving to Maryland, her family and career, and her community of Norwegian friends in the United States. Margot’s interview focuses on cultural comparisons between Norway and the United States, and briefly touches on Vietnamese culture from her ex-husband’s family. Margot also discusses the impact that the COVID pandemic has had on her experience as an immigrant in the United States. <br /><br />This interview was conducted as part of an undergraduate final project for the University of Maryland, College Park course HIST 428M (Spring 2021). This course was led by Professor Anne Rush of the Department of History, College of Arts and Humanities, and was sponsored by the Center for Global Migration Studies. 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Title A name given to the resource Spring 2020 Interviews Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Interview of Maurice Tchasso Description An account of the resource This interview between Elsa Tchasso and Maurice Tchasso explores Maurice's immigration journey to the United States. Maurice talks about his life in his native country and the reasons that pushed him to immigrate in the US. He later on describes the immigration process and his life in the US. ***This interview is restricted to the University of Maryland College Park's campus. For more information, contact the Center for Global Migration Studies (globalmigration@umd.edu).*** This interview was conducted as part of an undergraduate final project for the University of Maryland, College Park course IMMR 400 (Spring 2020). 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For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Spring 2019 Interviews Oral History A resource containing historical information obtained in interviews with persons having firsthand knowledge. Interviewer The person(s) performing the interview Austin Kleber Interviewee The person(s) being interviewed "Monica Geller" Location The location of the interview Silver Spring, Maryland, USA Original Format The type of object, such as painting, sculpture, paper, photo, and additional data PDF Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Interview of "Monica Geller" Description An account of the resource This interview between Austin Kleber and "Monica Geller" (pseudonym) explores Monica's experience as an immigrant in the United States. She speaks about the cultural differences she had to navigate as well as the isolation and sadness that accompanied her move into a new country and new community. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Austin Kleber Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Center for Global Migration Studies Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource February 27, 2019 Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource The full rights of this oral history interview were given by the interviewee to the University of Maryland, College Park. This interview may be quoted from, published, or broadcast in any medium that the University of Maryland, College Park shall deem appropriate. 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Title A name given to the resource Interview of Nico Alvarez Description An account of the resource This interview between Nico Alvarez and Dercem (Derc) Kaya explores Nico's experiences migrating as a child from Spain the United States. Nico discusses his experiences in school, his observations on cultural differences between Spain and the U.S., his parents' careers (which brought them to the U.S.), and the decision and ability to stay in the U.S. once his family moved back to Spain. This interview was conducted as part of an undergraduate final project for the University of Maryland, College Park course HIST 428M (Spring 2019). This course was led by Professor Anne Rush of the Department of History, College of Arts and Humanities, and was sponsored by the Center for Global Migration Studies. 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For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Spring 2019 Interviews Oral History A resource containing historical information obtained in interviews with persons having firsthand knowledge. Interviewer The person(s) performing the interview Nicholas Banai Interviewee The person(s) being interviewed John Zhang Location The location of the interview College Park, Maryland, USA Original Format The type of object, such as painting, sculpture, paper, photo, and additional data PDF, MP3, JPG Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Interview of John Zhang Description An account of the resource This interview between Nicholas Banai and John Zhang explores John's experiences as an immigrant to the United States from China. At 18 years old, John traveled from Zhuhai to the University of California, Davis to get his bachelor's degree. Now a graduate student at the University of Maryland, John discusses his conversion to Christianity and the differences between China and the United States. This interview was conducted as part of an undergraduate final project for the University of Maryland, College Park course HIST428M (Spring 2019). This course was led by Professor Anne Rush of the History Department, College of Arts and Humanities, and was sponsored by the Center for Global Migration Studies. 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Interviewer The person(s) performing the interview Lennox Acheampong Interviewee The person(s) being interviewed Mark Brunner (pseudonym) Location The location of the interview Maryland, USA Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Interview of Mark Brunner Description An account of the resource In this interview, Mark Brunner (pseudonym) discusses his experience immigrating to the United States from the Philippines. ***This interview is restricted to the University of Maryland College Park's campus. For more information, contact the Center for Global Migration Studies (globalmigration@umd.edu).*** This interview was conducted as part of an undergraduate final project for the University of Maryland, College Park course IMMR 400 (Spring 2019). This course was led by Professor Rob Chiles of the History Department, College of Arts and Humanities, and was sponsored by the Center for Global Migration Studies. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Lennox Acheampong Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Center for Global Migration Studies Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource May 3, 2019 Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource This interview is restricted to the University of Maryland College Park's campus. For more information, contact the Center for Global Migration Studies (globalmigration@umd.edu). 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For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Spring 2018 Interviews Description An account of the resource These interviews were conducted as part of an undergraduate final project for the University of Maryland, College Park courses THET489V (Spring 2018) and HIST428M (Spring 2018). THET489V was led by Professor Esther Lee of the School of Theatre, Dance, and Performance Studies, HIST428M was led by Professor Anne Rush of the Department of History, College of Arts and Humanities. Both courses were sponsored by the Center for Global Migration Studies. Oral History A resource containing historical information obtained in interviews with persons having firsthand knowledge. Interviewer The person(s) performing the interview Kendall Ohm Interviewee The person(s) being interviewed Norma (pseudonym) Location The location of the interview College Park, Maryland, USA Original Format The type of object, such as painting, sculpture, paper, photo, and additional data PDF, JPG, M4A Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Interview of Norma Description An account of the resource This interview between Kendall Ohm and Norma (pseudonym) explores Norma’s experience as an immigrant to the United States from Mexico City. When Norma was just one year old, her family relocated to California to join her father who had been working in the country. When she was eight, they returned to Mexico City, citing a desire to be closer to the rest of their extended family. 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Interviewer The person(s) performing the interview William Wiehnacht Interviewee The person(s) being interviewed Ilias Eliezer Location The location of the interview Maryland, USA Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Interview of Ilias Eliezer Description An account of the resource This interview between William Weihnacht and Ilias Eliezer explores Ilias' experiences moving to the United States from Greece to attend the University of Maryland. Their conversation spans topics like differences in educational styles between countries, cultural norms, and international cuisine. Ilias also delves into the supportive roles that his family members have played in his journey and the inspiration to follow in his father's footsteps. 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Title A name given to the resource Spring 2018 Interviews Description An account of the resource These interviews were conducted as part of an undergraduate final project for the University of Maryland, College Park courses THET489V (Spring 2018) and HIST428M (Spring 2018). THET489V was led by Professor Esther Lee of the School of Theatre, Dance, and Performance Studies, HIST428M was led by Professor Anne Rush of the Department of History, College of Arts and Humanities. Both courses were sponsored by the Center for Global Migration Studies. Oral History A resource containing historical information obtained in interviews with persons having firsthand knowledge. Interviewer The person(s) performing the interview Sonia Colon Interviewee The person(s) being interviewed Elisa Jimenez Juarez Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Interview of Elisa Jimenez Juarez Description An account of the resource This interview between Sonia Colon and Elisa Jimenez Juarez explores Jimenez's experiences as an immigrant to the United States from Mexico. ***This interview is restricted to the University of Maryland College Park's campus. For more information, contact the Center for Global Migration Studies (globalmigration@umd.edu).*** This interview was conducted as part of an undergraduate final project for the University of Maryland, College Park course THET428V (Spring 2018). This course was led by Professor Esther Lee of the Theater Department, College of Arts and Humanities, and was sponsored by the Center for Global Migration Studies. 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